Complete the final reflection that addresses what you learned from the experience as related to the readings we have done in class so far.? Write a 2- to 4-page reflection on your interview
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- What is your overall argument/claim/contention as you think about the interview in the context of this course? (Set up your work in the context of the course.)
- Write 3-4 paragraphs that support your argument/claim/contentions. In these paragraphs, use evidence from both the interview and the readings of the course. Don’t forget to include quotes from the readings.
- Wrap up your work with a conclusion paragraph.
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The Signature Pedagogies of the Professions of Law, Medicine,
Engineering, and the Clergy: Potential Lessons for the Education of
Teachers
Professor Lee Shulman
President, Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching
Delivered at the Math Science Partnerships (MSP) Workshop:
"Teacher Education for Effective Teaching and Learning"
Hosted by the National Research Council’s Center for Education
February 6-8, 2005
Irvine, California
MEL GEORGE: Well, ladies and gentlemen, it’s a great pleasure now to welcome to
our midst Lee Shulman, and to ask for his wisdom and advice as we think about teacher
education. One of the things that I was so excited at his willingness to talk with us was
his ability to put things in a slightly larger frame than some of us are used to thinking
about. Lee, at one point in his life, was on the faculty at Michigan State University and
even held an appointment in medical education, even. And so he has thought about the
professions broadly, and has pondered the relationship between the preparation that other
professions use for their professional graduates as contrasted with teacher education.
And that’s a subject of great interest to me. I serve on the advisory committee for a
Center for Religion, the Professions and the Public, which is trying to think about what
professionals need to understand about the increasing religious diversity in this country,
for example. And so the notion of professional education, both pre-service and in-
service, is a very nice context in which to put our thinking about teacher education.
Lee Shulman is currently the eighth president of the Carnegie Foundation for the
Advancement of Teaching. And I did not know that its mission is described as follows:
it is “to do and perform all things necessary to encourage, uphold and dignify the
profession of teaching.” That’s a really powerful mission statement, and we assume that
you are well on your way to accomplishing that for all time, Lee.
He’s a past president of the American Educational Research Association, and a past
president of the National Academy of Education, and a fellow of the American Academy
of Arts & Sciences. So both his background and his present position at Carnegie are a
wonderful preparation for his talk today, which is entitled “The Signature Pedagogies of
the Professions of Law, Medicine, Engineering and the Clergy: Potential Lessons for the
Education of Teachers.” It’s a great pleasure to welcome Lee Shulman.
[APPLAUSE]
PROFESSOR LEE SHULMAN: Thank you very much. The Carnegie Foundation is
now 100 years old, so we’re getting fewer and fewer excuses available if we don’t
achieve our mission. But teaching seems to be a problem that reinvents itself in every
generation. So the ones that we’re facing in 2005 bear some resemblance to those that
my predecessors saw in 1905, but they’re quite different, as well.
If someone asked me over the last 35 years, “What do you do?” I would say I’m a
teacher educator. That is the most persistent theme in my own career, from my first day
of teaching at Michigan State University in 1963– where my teaching responsibilities
were to teach 1,000 future teachers a day in two, 500-student sections–to the last course I
taught at Stanford — which was a course that I team-taught with my successor at
Stanford, Linda Darling Hammond, on the Foundations of Learning for Teaching for
future secondary school teachers of mathematics, science, English, Social Studies and
Foreign Language.
As has been explained in Dr. George’s introduction, I’ve spent a great deal of that time
trying to understand the complexities and the challenges of educating teachers by looking
through the lenses of the parallel problems and challenges of preparing people for other
professions. Because I find what professionals have to do– whether we call them
teachers or lawyers, priests or nurses– extraordinarily complex and endlessly fascinating.
The job of the arts & sciences faculty member is to bring students to a depth of critical
understanding of a discipline. The professor of history wants students to develop a critical
grasp of history. To know and understand the discipline is certainly a sufficiently
ambitious goal for any of us teaching either in the elementary and secondary or higher
education within a subject area or discipline. But when you’re preparing someone to
teach, then preparing them to know, to think, to understand what they need to understand
in order to practice is just the beginning. There is much more. The educator in a
profession is teaching someone to understand in order to act, to act in order to make a
difference in the minds and lives of others– to act in order to serve others responsibly and
with integrity. As we say in our Carnegie Foundation studies of education in the
professions, professional education is a synthesis of three apprenticeships—a cognitive
apprenticeship wherein one learns to think like a professional, a practical apprenticeship
where one learns to perform like a professional, and a moral apprenticeship where one
learns to think and act in a responsible and ethical manner that integrates across all three
domains.
A professional is not someone for whom understanding is sufficient. Understanding is
necessary, yes; but not sufficient. A professional has to be prepared to act, to perform, to
practice, whether they have enough information or not. You’ve got 32 kids in front of
you and you need to act. You can’t say, “You know, give me an hour to figure out what I
know that will help me decide what to do next.” You’ve got to act on the fly with
insufficient information. It’s true of a surgeon during an operation; it’s true of a member
of the clergy counseling the bereaved. Action is equally important, maybe more
important, than understanding.
But even that isn’t enough. As we’ve seen, as we look at education for the professions,
professionals not only have to understand and perform, they have to be certain kinds of
human beings. To use the language of the education of clergy, they have to undergo a
certain kind of formation of character and values so they become a kind of person to
whom we are prepared to entrust the responsibilities of our health system, of our
education system, of our souls and of the kind of justice we expect to see pursued in this
society.
And so a great deal of what’s involved in educating professionals is educating for
character. And we all know that you could have the most skilled classroom teacher who
understands their subject matter deeply. But if they are not a person of character, there’s
something deeply deficient there. And so when we look at professions, we are looking at
the challenge of teaching people to understand, to act, and to be integrated into a complex
of knowing, doing and being.
At Carnegie, we are now in the midst of a 10 year study to understand how people are
prepared for practice in law, engineering, the clergy, teaching, nursing and medicine.
We’ve essentially finished our work in the first three fields. We’re now writing up our
studies of the education of lawyers, engineers and clergy. And we are pursuing the work
on teaching, nursing and medicine.
I want to speak to you this morning about some of the insights that I’ve been having as a
teacher-educator as well as someone who’s spent about a decade of my life in a medical
school as a medical educator looking across all of these fields. We can learn a great deal
from looking at those fields; just as it will turn out they have a great deal to learn from us.
Let me begin by describing what I was doing about two weeks ago.
About two weeks ago, at about 7:30 in the morning, I parked my car and went to the
ninth floor of the teaching hospital of a major American medical school to join a team for
the whole morning to do clinical rounds in internal medicine. It had been years since I
had done that. In fact, it had been since the mid-point of my career at Michigan State, in
about 1972. And it reminded me of both the excitement and, in a very interesting way,
the routine associated with clinical rounds.
Clinical rounds are the way the practice of medicine is taught. Clinical rounds go on
every single morning of the week, Saturdays and Sundays included. Clinical rounds
involve a multigenerational team: the chief resident, who is usually in her fourth year of
post-M.D. training, a senior resident, usually in his or her second or third year post-M.D.,
a couple of first-year residents, several third-year medical students in their first rotation
as medical students, and a pharmacy intern.
We had a set of patients to visit. And with a few exceptions, they were the same patients
the team visited the day before, and the day before that. One of the interesting things that
are happening in the world of medicine that is changing medical education dramatically
is that the curriculum materials of clinical medicine instruction– which has been
constituted of patients lying in beds– is becoming much more transient. When I started
in medical education, if you were having your gallbladder out, you were going to be in a
hospital for 8 to 10 days. That meant that the “curriculum” stayed in place for that long.
My administrative assistant had her gallbladder removed six months ago,
laparoscopically. She didn’t spent one night in the hospital. She was admitted in the
morning, remained in recovery for a few hours after the procedure, and she was in the
recovery; she was home that night. Well, great for her, great for cost control in the health
care system. But what a pain for medical education! You know, what would happen if
the pages in your textbook disappeared before you had a chance to read them carefully?
I mention this because of the fact that what I’m going to be talking about this morning,
which I call the “signature pedagogies of the professions,” are not eternal and
unchanging. Even though they seem remarkably stable at any one point in time, they are
always subject to change as conditions in the practice of the profession itself and in the
institutions that provide professional service or care undergo larger societal change.
But we were visiting patients that, alas, were there for longer periods of time. And what
was fascinating is the routinization, almost to the point of ritual, of clinical rounds. You
come to a room where a patient who is on our docket is in bed. Somebody on the team
knows that their responsibility is to report on a patient, and then to explain what’s
happened since the last time they rounded, what’s going to happen next, and then to take
questions about the situation from colleagues on the team. The routine is such that
everybody knows what they’re supposed to do.
Equally fascinating was the observation that it was often unclear who the teachers were
and who were the learners. At times it was the third year clerk who presented the case,
and everybody else was learning from that person. At other times it was the senior
resident. And so the roles of students and teachers were changing. Unlike a lot of
educational situations, everyone was visible, nobody could hide. That’s a very
interesting feature of signature pedagogies. Everybody was a member of the clinical
team with a role and responsibilities, and could be expected to ask or answer a question,
or perform an examination or procedure, at any moment. Hiding was impossible;
anonymity wasn’t an option.
And because of the fact that the “rules of engagement” of clinical rounds had become so
routine, the teachers didn’t spend any time at all with what you might call “classroom
management.” And by that I don’t mean “discipline,” because clearly that wasn’t much
of a problem. They did not need to practice classroom management in the sense that
those of us who use group work in our classrooms, have to give the students a fair
amount of instruction about what it means to be a member of a collaborative group, what
their roles and responsibilities are, and how do they decide who’s in charge. The power
of routinization in signature pedagogies is such that those questions have already been
answered. The rules of the game are clear.
On that morning, we progressed through four different kinds of rounds. I’m not going to
go into the details, but they went from work rounds to teaching rounds to something
called “M&M, morbidity and mortality reviews, in which we systematically looked at
cases that hadn’t gone well and asked what had gone badly and what we can learn from
the experience that could guide individual clinical practice in the future. And then a
large, 50-person “quality assurance” meeting was held (it’s a monthly occurrence) in
which all the members of the department in all generations from full professor to medical
student gathered to review some serious problems of infection that were occurring in
conjunction with inserting “central lines” in intensive care patients. In quality assurance
reviews, the question was not what individuals could do to improve quality, but what the
institution itself ought to do collectively and corporately to reduce these rates of
infection. The focus was not merely practice, but more broadly it was on needed changes
in institutional policy.
Why do I go into this kind of detail? This kind of teaching of professional practice has its
parallels in most of the professions that we’ve been studying. So for example, if you
went to the first year classes in any law school in America, you would find law’s
equivalent of clinical rounds. Except instead of there being seven students involved,
there would be 120. You’d be in a lecture hall, except that it would be much more
pronounced in its curvature so that students were much more likely to be able to see one
another, even in a large class. And if I were your teacher in torts or criminal law or
constitution or contracts, I would be closer to the center of the arc that was formed by the
curved rows of seats.
How many of you have seen the movie, The Paper Chase, with the famous portrayal of
the ominous Professor Kingsfield? You have a sense of what a large law school class is
like. One of the first things you see is the routine. It doesn’t matter which of the first
year classes it is, the rules of engagement are the same. A faculty member enters the
room. The students know what the cases to be discussed that day are. And without any
kind of preparatory good morning or whatever, I turn to address one of you:
“Ms. …
JUDY CONROY: Judy Conroy.
PROF. SHULMAN: “Ms. Conroy” Please tell us about the case of Brown v. Board of
Education.” And you would not be free to say whatever you felt like about Brown v.
Board of Education, because that is a trigger, in the same way that it is in medicine, for a
routine protocol of performance, literally, of rendering an account of the case. You are
being taught “to think like a lawyer.” And I don’t care if you’re at the University of
Colorado Law School or at the New York University Law School, or at the John F.
Kennedy Law School in Oakland, the engagement rules are the same, much as they are
doing clinical rounds in medicine.
But what we also will know– what all of you law students will know– is that at any
second, the teacher-as-sniper can pivot and say, “And Mr. Labov! Do you agree with
Ms. Conroy’s account of the case, or do you disagree?”
JAY LABOV: Disagree.
PROF. SHULMAN: Disagree! Thank you very much. Before you tell me your
disagreement, I’d like you to restate in your own words Ms. Conroy’s argument, and then
offer your own. Notice, I am also conveying subtly, you’d better be paying attention,
closely, to what your colleagues are saying.
In elementary education research, there’s a lovely concept called “accountable talk,” or
“accountable speech.” And what’s so important for kids and teachers to learn is that
when you’re participating in a discussion, your contributions are accountable for their
continuity with those that preceded and with the text or source materials on which the
conversation is based.
You can’t simply say, “Well, you know, the way I feel is.” No, you are responsible to
add one link to a chain of discourse. And so one of the other things you see in the law
school class that, to me, is directly parallel to the clinical rounds is that even in large
room, students feel accountable. They are visible, they never know when they will be
asked to perform, and they had better be ready. They also know precisely what it means
to perform. The faculty is not playing hide-the-ball; the students understand the form of
what is expected of them, even if they often do not know the particulars.
I give these two examples, and I could give others from other fields, of what I have been
calling lately “the signature pedagogies of the professions.” What I mean by“signature
pedagogy” is a mode of teaching that has become inextricably identified with preparing
people for a particular profession. This means it has three characteristics: One, it’s
distinctive in that profession. So you wouldn’t expect clinical rounds in a law school.
And even though it might be very effective, you wouldn’t expect a case dialogue or case
method teaching of this sort in a medical school.
Second, it is pervasive within the curriculum. So that students learn that as they go from
course to course, there are certain continuities that thread through the program that are
part of what it means to learn to “think like a lawyer,” or “think like a physician,” or
“think like a priest.” There are certain kinds of thinking that are called for in the rules of
engagement of each course, even as you go from subject to subject. The third feature is
another aspect of pervasiveness, which cuts across institutions and not only courses.
Signature pedagogies have become essential to general pedagogy of an entire profession,
as elements of instruction and of socialization.
What are some of the characteristics of these pedagogies? I’ve mentioned a couple
already. The first is that they are habitual, they are routine. The rules of engagement in
this kind of pedagogy are repeated again and again and again. And it doesn’t seem to
make the classes boring, which is really quite interesting. Many of us who’ve taught at
earlier grades have been taught the importance of novelty: “keep changing things for the
students, because novelty breeds motivation and interest,” we were told. We advocate
constant novelty without taking sufficient cognizance of the strain it places on the
students and on the teacher, of constantly changing the rules of the game.
And it’s not at all unusual for new teachers, when they want to try something new with
their classroom, simultaneously to change the grouping structure, to do a simulation for
the first time, to experiment with role-play and other novel instructional elements.
Indeed, it’s not unusual for a novice teacher to change about four features at once, and
then wonder why the whole thing goes up in smoke. And they spent so much time
planning it, “And don’t those kids care how much, and how hard I worked?”
Tears are not unusual in those circumstances, especially with our new teachers.
They really haven’t thought through how important it is to keep control over the sources
of unpredictability and variation and challenge that the students are being asked to
confront at the same time. And what’s fascinating in the signature pedagogies of these
professions is the extent to which the novelty comes from the subject matter itself, not
from constantly changing the pedagogical rules.
A second thing, you see, is that both the students and their thought processes are made
visible in the signature pedagogies of the professions. I don’t know if you’ve seen
videotapes of large lectures in the liberal arts and sciences in colleges and universities.
But you show me a classroom with 200 students in it for a 9:00 o’clock class, and you
just pan your little video. Students are sleeping, or they’re reading the paper. If it’s a
wireless environment, they’re on the net. The level of attention and vigilance on the part
of the students is frighteningly low. But again, we can encounter the same phenomenon
in classes of 35 as well because so many of our pedagogies aren’t designed to keep
everybody visible and on their toes.
In the signature pedagogies, whether they involve small groups like a design lab in an
engineering or architecture program, or large groups like the core courses in the law
school or the business school, students know that at any moment in time, they are visible
and accountable. They will not only be asked to comment on the topic. But regularly,
they will be asked to build on the contributions of those who spoke before them.
The nature of the pedagogy in many of these cases– and again, it’s part of the ritual– is
not only to say, “Mr. Labov, what’s your view?” But it to immediately say, “And what
might be your argument in support of that view? Are you using different evidence from
Ms. Conroy’s, or the same evidence? And why did you think that evidence was….” So
the thought processes themselves become highly visible.
I believe we are now seeing the emergence of what I believe is going to be new signature
pedagogy in higher education in large classes in which students now are being given
these wonderful wireless “clickers.” You know those? When each student in the large
lecture class pushes a button in response to a question from the teacher, not only is her
view being registered, but the teacher knows who is clicking. The teacher has a running
record of each student’s responses over time. We have created conditions of visibility
and accountability in the heretofore vapid anonymity of the large lecture hall.
Thus a feature of signature pedagogies is the visibility of person and process, which is
therefore associated with accountability. And it’s remarkable, at all levels of the
educational system, how low students’ sense of accountability is. You can go through
two weeks in many elementary school classrooms without being held accountable for
contributing to the class discussion. And you may do your worksheets, but that
accountability is simply acknowledged by a score or grade at the top when it’s handed
back.
This kind of accountability is not only students’ accountability to the teacher; it’s an
accountability students have to one another in the sense that most of these pedagogies
involve the learners having to engage in accountable talk, to build on each others’ work.
Whether it’s actively collaborative, as it might be in collaborative groups in a calculus
classroom, or it’s serially collaborative, as in a law school or a medical school exchange,
I suspect this is a distinctive feature of signature pedagogies.
What happens when people who are used to being invisible, to burrowing down when
faced with a pedagogical challenge, suddenly or regularly find themselves visible,
accountable, and if you will, vulnerable? You inevitably begin to experience higher
levels of emotion in a classroom. There’s a sense of risk. There’s a sense of
unpredictability. There’s a sense of– dare I say– anxiety. And for some, anxiety morphs
into terror.
As a psychologist, I would argue that a certain measure of anxiety is adaptive for
learning. It’s good to be a little anxious; it leads to more attention and vigilance. But
while moderate anxiety is adaptive, terror is paralyzing, and one of the great pedagogical
challenges is to create an environment that is simultaneously risky but not paralytic.
That’s why teaching is tough. And in law schools, we know that at least the stereotype is
that the sadistic law professor values terror and tries to promote it. I’m not sure what the
evidence for that is; we certainly know that it can often be experienced that way.
On the other hand, when public, accountable interaction becomes a signature pedagogy
and it becomes routine, it al
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